Forest of Dean Family History Forum

Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:45:50 +0000

Lawrence

I hope to have some time tomorrow to revisit this "puzzle"

regards
S

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:29:01 +0000

FOD records - also have Lizzie MANNS - born 10 April 1887 - Thomas & Rosanna MANNS address Stonehouse Cottage, Kempley which is next door to Stone House Oaks (there is an unihabited cottage listed 1881 census) - same address given for Charles Henry MANNS (mother Sarah) in 1878 Kempley)

1891 Census, Kempley
next door to Stone House Oaks

MANNS

Thomas - 28, Ag. Lab. (Carter) born Dymock
Rosanna - 37 - born Dymock
Harriet - 11 - born Dymock
Rose - 8 - born Kempley
Albert - 6 - ditto
Lizzie - 4 - ditto
William T - ditto

? Sarah's brother

1871 Census Dymock

Williiam MANNS - 44 - Dymock
Ellen MANNS - 44 - Oxenhall
William MANNS - 21 - Newark
Sarah MANNS - 13 - Dymock
Thomas MANNS - 11 - ditto
Elizabeth MANNS - 9 - ditto
Charles MANNS - 5 - ditto
Harriett MANNS - 2 - ditto

1871 Kempley, Stone House Road

HODGES - is this the connection, brother ?? (Sarah married William HODGES - 23 September 1880, father William)

Thomas 36 - Ag Lab. born Glos. Kempley
Betsy - 40 - Wilts, Beauchump Stoke ?
Sarah - 10 - Kempley
Harriet - 8 - born ditto
Elizabeth - 7
James - 5
Jane - 1
Thomas - 1 month

Thomas HODGES - age 22 c 1839 (father William) married Elizabeth TILLEY at Kempley 29 March 1860

witnesses - Caroline & George Hodges

1861 Census Dymock
Sharr Grove

William HODGES - 54, Ag. Lab. born Glos. Kempley
Elizabeth - 48, born Dymock
William - 15 - labourer, born Dymock
Frederick - 19

next door

Thomas HODGES - 24
Elizabeth HODGES- 30
Mary TILLY - step-daughter age 11
John TILLY - step-son age 6
Sarah HODGES - 10 weeks

William Meek 1881

Brian Meek — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:54:25 +0000

Can someone help please. Im looking for the birth certificate for William Meek born 1881. Born to Caroline Meek at Factory Row, Cinderford, he is shown as 2 months old in the 1881 census. I cannot find his name in the register of births for the first or second quarter of 1881 or even the 4th quarter of 1880. I have followed the other William Meeks without success. This William married Mary Ann Bennett in 1901 at St. Stephens Church, Cinderford.

Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888 (reply)

Lawrencef — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:00:29 +0000

The Goode side seems to be correct, its only the Smith side where I suspect I've combined two families with a James and Elizabeth Smith in them. Both from Abinhall or Mitcheldean.

ciao

Lawrence

Charles Henry Manns

jeb — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:51:21 +0000

I am looking for information on Charles Henry Manns who was born on 1st June 1878 in Kempley his mother was Sarah but his father is not given on his baptism or on birth certificate.

I have found a Sarah Ann Manns born 1857 (father William and Mother Ellen)who is the correct age to have had a child in 1878.

She married William Hodges in 1880 and according to the 1881 census she had a son called Charles Hodges but there is no record of his birth.

Could this Charles actually be Charles Manns and is there any way of proving it ?

Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888 (reply)

Lawrencef — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:45:25 +0000

I thought that everything to do with Alberts parents was gone but then I remembered that in my Great Grandmaothers funeral notice which she wrote (she had slow acting overian cancer) she lists her parents as:

James Smith, Elizabeth Hughes (who were in fact her grandparents). It also places her birth at Ruffell (actually Ruffet) Little Dean Glos Eng.

What shook me is that I've been contacted by a very nice person in NZ who thought that we might be related. As it turns out one of us, both of us or neither of are wrong but our research doesn't marry.

Where it does take me is to the birh of Albert whom I (in spite of now posessing 3 birth certificates for him which are all wrong) have never reconciled into the family of James and Elizabeth properly;

The 1871 and 1881 census's I was working from may refer to another family:

1871 census

James Smith 39
Elizabeth Smith 44
Thomas Smith 17
James Smith 15
Alice Smith 13
John Smith 11
Sarah Ann Smith 9
Elizabeth Smith 7
Enock Smith 5
Abbert Smith 3 (I'd say this is Albert with a trasncription error)

1881 census

Name: Albert Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Mitcheldean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Townend Street
Education:
Employment status:

View image
Occupation: ((Iron Miner)) Scholar

Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 49
Elizabeth Smith 53
Albert Smith 13
Sydney Smith 9

She seems to have had Sydney and Albert quite late but there is a consistent spacing in the ages.

The research sent to me is following James and Elizabeth Smith (nee Mills, born in Stroud. I suspect that perhaps I have a cross over into their lives or my friend in NZ has a cross over into the lives of my Smiths (its at this point I despair the common names). "This particular James Smith was an iron miner born in Mitcheldean in 1831, son of Matthew Smith, born in High Wycombe in 1806".

Claire has also written this which really threw me as this is the cross over of our research:

"My line starts with Matthew (b.1805 in Buckinghamshire, son of Richard Smith, papermaker) and Eliza (nee Barnard) Smith - lived at Abenhall (v. close to Mitcheldean) Son James Smith b. 1831 Mitcheldean (10 siblings) Married Elizabeth Mills from Stroud in 1828.

Children:
Thomas, James, Alice, John, Sarah, Elizabeth, Enoch, Albert (b. 1866), Sydney (all appear in census records)
The family lived in Townsend St Mitcheldean.
The men were mostly iron miners.

I have a record from the church register from Mitcheldean (on FOD website) that has Albert marrying Rhoda Minnie Goode on July 18 1888, father of groom James Smith miner, and an Elizabeth Smith as witness."

What it means is that we are in trouble with our research and your keen mind and insight would be very welcome (gripped by despair as I am of the thought that all these years work are wrong :-).

Writing it out has helped a little though as the clincher is that the funeral notice of my great Grandmother lists James and Elizabeth. I'd better scan that and send it to claire to see what she makes of it.

Kind regards

Lawrence

Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:29:21 +0000

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=entry&id=25940

How much has been "shaken" ?

George Barnard Rickards (1873-1933) (reply)

beav2012 — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:53:56 +0000

Thanks to both of you for that. I did look at he 1911 census, but then couldn't find a birth. I have been told that he was an officer in the R.A.F and quite the looker. I can now look and see if he ever married, I know his sister didn't.

Mary

Records of DOWDING family including possible photographs (reply)

Penelope — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:15:18 +0000

I am the great grandaughter of Henry Dowding and would love to see the said items.
I will be staying in Cinderford on Thursday Sept 9th. Is there any chance we could visit Oaklands Park?

PROBERT - assoc. thread (reply)

wossgowinon — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:24:13 +0000

Thanks slowhands,

Not sure this is my ancestor Thomas Probert thou.

According to the 1911 census John Probert is 42 making his date of birth about 1869. Also on John's marriage certificate he is 23 when he marries Rosa Price, making his date of birth also 1869.

However i have found this afternoon a record on the Forrest of Dean Family Site for Thomas Probert marrying Elizabeth Tyler on the 26th June 1866. There residence at the time was Coalway Lane End (Coleford) which ties in with the records i have for the Baptisms of Lonnie Victor and Hilda May Probert in 1904. Also with John being born in 1869, three years after the date of this marriage, this would also seem to tie in.

The marriage of Thomas Probert states that he was 28 when he married Elizabeth Tyler, making his date of birth about 1838.

The only trouble is there is a 38 year gap between the marriage of Thomas Probert in 1866 and the Baptism of Lonnie and Hilda in 1904, therefore If you are able to find any cencus records which would confirm that this Thomas is my ancestor i'd be very interested to see them.

Kind regards,
Scott

Albert Smith (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie Goode 1888

Lawrencef — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:45:38 +0000

Unhappily everything I thought I knew about Albert Smith with the exception of his marriage to Rhoda Minnie Goode in 1888, the birth of their daughter Olive Elizabeth Smith in 1888 and his death in Runcorn Cheshire in 1891 are now proving to be incorrect.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to begin again:

I'm pretty sure that this belongs to another Albert Smith

Record_ID: 42755
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1868
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Albert
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: S530

and the only things I now know for sure are his fathers name as shown on his marriage cert:

Year: 1888
Month: Jul
Day: 18 (could be a 10? in the original)
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: GOODE
Brides_Forenames: Rhoda Minnie
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Powell
Witness_2: Elizabeth Smith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G.E.Gilbanks
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 65
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

This would mean that Elizabeth Page Hughes is not his mother, nor is he related to Eliza Jennings more than likely.

Any thoughts on all this would be most welcome and I'll happily flick over a gedcom file with the details of what I thought and what I can now verify if anyone has the time or interest to look it over.

Regards

Lawrence

PROBERT - assoc. thread (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:30:54 +0000

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=27378

Thomas PROBERT 1833 Michael Troy MON (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:27:07 +0000

1891

Thomas Probert abt 1860 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire
Maria Probert abt 1865 Welton, Somerset, England Wife Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire
William Probert abt 1890 Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire

1881
John Hawson abt 1849 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Head Sheffield, Yorkshire
Nellie Rhodes abt 1875 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Cousin Sheffield, Yorkshire
Esther Probert abt 1842 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Housekeeper Sheffield, Yorkshire
Esther A. Probert abt 1865 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Servant Sheffield, Yorkshire

1871 Garndiffaith
Thomas Robert 39 MichaelTroy Monmouth
Esther Robert 29
Thomas Robert 11
John Robert 8
William Robert 6
Esther Robert

1861 Clearwell
Thomas Probert abt 1833 Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Esther Probert abt 1842 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas William Probert abt 1860 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1841
William Probert abt 1801 Monmouthshire, Wales Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Probert abt 1830 Monmouthshire, Wales Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire
John Probert abt 1831 Monmouthshire, Wales Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire
Thomas Probert abt 1833 Monmouthshire, Wales Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire
Jane Probert abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire

Richard Heighway and Mary Preest (reply)

stevedows — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:27:03 +0000

Thank you both very much, it’s given me another round of headaches.
The only other Mary Preece with a father Richard, that I can find a marriage for, married Alfred Henry Hodges in 1879 at Monmouth. I’ve found them on the 1881 census in Monmouth, Alfred aged 27, Mary aged 31 and Alfred jnr aged 6 months. Alfred is a carriage builder, so I know I’ve got the right couple.
The Elizabeth Preest, that married Richard Skinner in 1834, was the daughter of John Preest and Elizabeth (nee Morgan). So the witnesses are her brother John (her father had died in 1820) and I think Richard Morgan must have been related to her mother. I haven’t actually ventured into the Morgan family.
Back to Richard Preest and Anne (nee Beach). Anne’s burial shows that she lived at Clearwell at that time, which isn’t far from Coleford. So I think it is a distinct possibility.
By the way Richard was also the son of John Preest and Elizabeth (nee Morgan).

Would it be possible to have PREECE included in the soundex for PREEST? It would make life a lot easier for us Preests.

Rosa PRICE 1871 (reply)

wossgowinon — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:07:09 +0000

Rosa is my gggrandmother

Currently i have traced my Paternal family history back to my ggggrandfather Thomas Probert but have been unable to find any cencus or birth/marriage/death records relating to Thomas. The details i have managed to obtain thus far are as follows:

ggggrandfather: Thomas Probert
Profession: Labourer
gggrandfather: John Probert
Born: 1869
Wife: Rosina (Rosa) Probert (nee Price)
Married: 14/11/1892 in St. John's Church, Coleford
Residence: Lane End, Coleford
Profession: Collier
Children: Beatrice Maud Probert (B. 1894/5), Leslie Oliver Probert (B. 26/11/1898), Edgar Roy Probert (B. 01/07/1911), Hilda (B. 1902), Ida (B. 1910).

gggrandfather: Leslie Oliver Probert
Born: 26/11/1898 in Upper Cwmbran
Died: 06/09/1940
Wife: Alice Edith Probert (nee Mustoe)
Married: 13/04/1925 in Parish Church, Cirencester
Residence: Mount Pleasent, Cinderford
Profession: Collier, Enlisted in the Navy 01/10/1915
Children: Leslie John Probert (B. 14/03/1931), Ivy Edith Probert, Edgar Roy Probert (B. July 1911).

If possible i would like to locate the birth certificate for John Probert or any cencus records relating to Thomas Probert. However as the names John and Thomas and the surname Probert are fairly common i'm having trouble distinguishing which records relate to my ancestors.

Any information will be greatly received.

Thank you,

Scott

Proberts - East/West/Little Dean, Coleford and Cinderford

wossgowinon — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:58:45 +0000

I wonder whether anyone is able to help?

ggggrandfather: Thomas Probert
Profession: Labourer

gggrandfather: John Probert
Born: 1869
Wife: Rosina (Rosa) Probert (nee Price)
Married: 14/11/1892 in St. John's Church, Coleford
Residence: Lane End, Coleford
Profession: Collier
Children: Beatrice Maud Probert (B. 1894/5), Leslie Oliver Probert (B. 26/11/1898), Edgar Roy Probert (B. 01/07/1911), Hilda (B. 1902), Ida (B. 1910).

Any information will be greatly received.

Thank you,

Scott

Richard Heighway and Mary Preest (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:48:04 +0000

When Richard Tisley HIGHWAY married Mary PREEST - 25 April 1848 - there were 3 witnesses including a Richard SKINNER -

and

Charles STOCKHAM (who is the Schoolmaster on the 1851 Census, Whitecliff, Newlan + his Wife Elizabeth and two children Henry 15, and Thomas 12, born Newland.)

FOD records

Richard SKINNER, Bachelor
Hundred of St Braivels

married

Elizabeth PREEST
Newland

22 September 1834

witnesses: * John PREEST and Rich(ar)d MORGAN

Parish Chapel : Newland

you mention Mary PREEST was living with an Ann MORGAN (School Mistress) 1841

1841 Census Newland, Tything of Bream

John PREEST - 55 Ind - born in County
Elizabeth PREEST - 80 - Ind - born in County
Ann HAWKINS - 15 - F/S

FOD records

Richard PREEST - christened 4 June 1794 Bream- parents John & Elizabeth

George Barnard Rickards (1873-1933) (reply)

selbyfamily — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:11:57 +0000

Beat me with the Census by about 2 seconds!
George Ernest Rickards born Sept q 1902, Solihull 6D 655

George Barnard Rickards (1873-1933)

djones — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:02:58 +0000

George Barnard Rickards (1873-1933), his son whose name I have yet to find. His daughter Stella May aged approx 4 and his wife Anne Elizabeth Hunt (1871-1919).
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&id=27364

1911 census.

RICKARDS, George Head Married M 38 1873 Collector Salesman West Dean
RICKARDS, Bessie Wife Married 12 years F 39 1872 East Dean
RICKARDS, Ernest Son M 8 1903 Birmingham
RICKARDS, Stella Daughter F 6 1905 Cinderford
BRAIN, Mary Aunt Widow F 81 1830 Private Means Mitcheldean

Burlow Family (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:32:23 +0000

Gwendoline J M BURLOW

married

Cyril T.R. WILLIAMS

A/M/J Qtr 1945

Registration District : Forest of Dean

Reg. County: Gloucestershire

Volume Number: 6a

Page No. 791

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Joan L BURLOW

marrried

Percy A DAVIES

A/M/J Qtr 1942

Registration District: Forest of Dean

Reg.County: Gloucestershire

Volume Number: 6a

Page Number: 963