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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, I owe you a debt of thanks . . .</p>
<p>I was focussing on the 1911 John James death because in the 1911 census, they are only listing one John James, born in Aberthaw in 1837, and he is listed as a lodger and old age pensioner, which didn&#039;t make a great deal of sense to me (on Union Street, as I remember).</p>
<p>Mary Ann was at Box Tree Cottage at the time as a &quot;visitor&quot; (but is listed as married not as a widow), so I suppose he could have been elsewhere as well.  Only five years later, she also left a much more substantial estate (approximately four or five times larger) . . . If one spouse is remaining, does that mean that they only include personal property, rather than real property in the estate?  (Might account for the difference.)  By all accounts she was a fairly successful businesswoman . . . but I can&#039;t see her accumulating so much so quickly (toward the end of her life), and I am making the unwarranted assumption that a woman&#039;s assets were joint with her husband&#039;s even if she were the one who acquired them . . .</p>
<p>Of course, her mother died in the interim, so there might have been an inheritance during that time as well, but with several siblings I wouldn&#039;t have expected that to be susbtantial.</p>
<p>The 1913 death makes sense, though, as the chances of two seventy-six year old men sharing the same name, born in the same small town, both living in Cardiff and leaving a widow named Mary Ann seem a bit improbable.  (I think the 1911 census was where I went astray . . .)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{prior thread <a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28333">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28333</a> }</p>
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&quot;Your&quot; Bridge Street is almost certainly in  the City Centre Parish of St John i.e. not out in the Llandaff suburb.</p>
<p><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/stjohnscityparishcardiff/parish-history">http://sites.google.com/site/stjohnscityparishcardiff/parish-history</a></p>
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Bridge Street {Heol Y Bont in Welsh} in the region of the Castle and St Mary&#039;s St has a post code of CF10 xxx....</p>
<p>There has been a fair amount of re-development in the area  so houses have been pulled down and I suspect numbering is not what it was 100 years ago...</p>
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<a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&amp;q=cardiff+%2231+bridge+street%22+cf10&amp;wrapid=tlif12937776252771&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=31+Bridge+St,+Cardiff+CF10+2&amp;gl=uk&amp;ei=SXsdTbSSOc6ChQfrlcC3Dg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=geocode_result&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA">http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&amp;q=...</a></p>
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probable BMD for John James born Aberthaw:-</p>
<p>Name: John James <br />
Estimated birth year: abt 1837 <br />
Year of Registration: 1913 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec <br />
Age at Death: 76 <br />
District: Cardiff (1837-1974) <br />
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire <br />
Volume: 11a <br />
Page: 379 </p>
<p>Probate Index</p>
<p>Name: John James <br />
Probate Date: 20 Jan 1914 <br />
Death Date: 19 Nov 1913 <br />
Death Place: Cardiff, Wales <br />
Registry: Llandaff </p>
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 James, John of 8 Planet St Cardiff died 19 November 1913<br />
Probate Llandaff 20 January to Mary Ann James widow<br />
Effects £99 1s 9d</p>
<p>Planet Street is at the back of the old Cardiff Infirmary , say 300 - 400 yards east of Bridge Street.</p>
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<a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&amp;wrapid=tlif12937783380161&amp;q=cardiff+%228+planet+street%22&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=8+Planet+St,+Cardiff+CF24+0&amp;gl=uk&amp;ei=A34dTbXVKIyxhQfIi7G3Dg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=geocode_result&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA">http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&amp;wr...</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off topic, but . . .</p>
<p>Along with the other family lore, in between living in Blakeney aka Blakeney Hill and aka Old Funace Bottom, and Trevethin/Garndiffaith (and apparently Aberdare, according to her (first) wedding certificate from Viney Hill), my great grandfather built her a house in Cardiff (apparently on Bridge Street. I thought in Castle, but it could have been Cathays . . .I don&#039;t know Cardiff very well.)  I know that at some point she owned a stationary shop in St. Mary Street, and played the organ at the church. </p>
<p>Her wedding certificate arrived from the GRO today, listing her address at 22 Bridge Street, and her second husband, John James&#039; address as 31 Bridge Street, both in the Parish of St. John Baptist (sic), Cardiff.</p>
<p>For the address, Google maps shows two possibilities; one a modernish building in the city centre, and a second a series of row houses approaching the Cardiff Road.  There&#039;s a number 22, but no 31 . . . I believe that street is in Llandaff.</p>
<p>Does anyone have sufficient knowledge of Cardiff to offer me any guidance on this issue?</p>
<p>Of interest, but no real import, is that after their marriage John James becomes a stationer, which made a certain amount of sense, while his marriage certificate and family lore list him as a ship&#039;s rigger.  The surprise is that on the marriage certificate she signed, he marked.  Doesn&#039;t seem to make much sense for a stationer.</p>
<p>I believe John James passed away in 1911 (BMD indices offer two possibilites; 1911 and 1913)but the probate index for 1911 appears to be missing from ancestry.uk . . .</p>
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