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Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:11:00 +0000

You can obtain a birth certificate from the General Records office - quoting all relevant information (in an earlier reply)

or by contacting

GloucestershireBDM

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

and can download an application form

1853

BROACHER Lucy Long
BROACHER
mother's maiden name: BANKS
District: Gloucester
Office: Gloucester Frampton
Register: 5
Entry: 471

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Call this baptism up on the above website - and quote all the information.

The service from this Office is very quick.

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The Gloucester Records Office is also well worth a visit.

http://www.ancestor-search.info/CRO-Gloucestershire.htm

Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts (reply)

unknown — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:59:15 +0000

Lucy Brocher came to the US in 1874/75 where she met my Irish immigrant 2xgreat grandfather, Heron, and married. They lived in Lowell Massachusetts at the time of their deaths. I've never been able to find her immigration records.

I didn't know she had relatives other than her mother that came to the US. I imagined her father died and her mother came to live with her and her family.

Do you know where I could see Lucy Brocher's baptismal records, if any, during my visit?

Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:14:34 +0000

Enos BROCHER born 1843 -

GloucestershireBDM

married, Martha Emily Vincent JAMES - Framilode St Peter 1867

and births

Edwin Enos Vincent BROCHER - mother's maiden name JAMES - 1869 Frampton
Winifred Kate Netty BROCHER - 1871 Frampton

1871 Census, Arlingham

BROCHER

Emily 21 - married born Quedgley, Glos
Edwin - 2 - born Arlingham
Winifred - 3 (assume 3 months)

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1880 Census, Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts

BROCHER

Enos - 35, Watchman at Mill
born England

Emily - 30
Edwin E W - 11
Rosabella - 7 - born Massachusetts USA

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same census - and Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts

BROCHER

Mary - 50
Nettie - 14
Ernest - 11
Lemuel J - 9

and also Lowell, Middlesex

Harry BROCHER - age 20 - Watchman (assume this is William Henry - another brother)

Seem to have the correct family in previous replies.
Assume most of the family went to the USA around 1871/1874

Benjamin BANKS/Seiley LONG/DANGERFIELD - Marriage 1819 (reply)

unknown — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:39:03 +0000

Thank you for all your help! I'm going through all the info to piece together what makes chronological sense.

I noticed I made some errors in my haste during my last posting. Here is the correct info:

Lucy Long Brocher 1853-?, born in Frampton, England, died in US
parents: John Brocher 1826-?, Charlotte Banks Brocher 1825-1892 (she died in the US)

John Brocher's parents: William 1781-?, Mary 1791-?

Charlotte Banks Brocher's parents (as I have it but may be incorrect): Benjamin Banks ?-?, Sadie Dangerfield ?-?

Thank you again!

Richard DANGERFIELD/Mary LONG (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:43:24 +0000

'Mary LONG married Richard DANGERFIELD at Saul 20 September 1801'

1841 Census Saul

DANGERFIELD

Mary - 66
George - 41
Sarah - 36
Richard - 30

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Church of Latter Day Saints

Christenings at Saul - parents Richard & Mary DANGERFIELD

George - 30 May 1802 (there is criminal records for a George DANGERFIELD - bargeman - on Ancestry & GRO records)
Sarah - 22 March 1804
Richard - 25 January 1807
John - 7 May 1809
Joseph - 29 March 1812 (again criminal records for a Joseph DANGERFIELD - bargeman - on Ancestry & GRO records)

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1841 Census Saul

DANGERFIELD

Richard - unmarried - 42 - Waterman - all born Saul
John - brother unmarried - 40
Sarah - sister unmarried - 39

BANKS - Saul (Friends of Purton) + Youtube (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:45:24 +0000

Interesting article: re Benjamin BANKS and wife Eliza - (1871 census, Benjamin BANKS 42 Beerhouse Keeper, wife Eliza 40)

http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/Docs/Thomas%20-%20Banks.pdf

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Friends of Purton

http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/

(site tour Sunday 21 October 2.00 p.m.)

also on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com

Purton Shipwreck Hulks, Purton, Gloucestershire

with John CRAVEN interviewing Paul BARNETT

Benjamin BANKS/Seiley LONG/DANGERFIELD - Marriage 1819 (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:46:13 +0000

'mother Sadie DANGERFILED BANKS and father Benjamin BANKS'

Checked my Gloucestershire Marriage Index cd

Marriage at Moreton Valence - 19 March 1819

Benjamin BANKS to Seiley LONG

Can see one baptism Saul St James - 11 February 1830 - Ben

to Benjamin (Waterman) & Sealiss

also Mary LONG married Richard DANGERFIELD at Saul - 20 September 1801

Gloucestershire Burial Index - burials at Saul

two possibles

Richard DANGERFIELD - age 65 - 13 April 1837
Mary DANGERFIELD - age 73 - 13 May 1847

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1841 Census, Glos. Saul

Benjamin BANKS - 40 Waterman
Seelia - 40
Hester LONG - 45

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1851 Census Saul

Selia BANKS wife 50 - born Fretherne
Benjamin BANKS, son 23 Waterman

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1861 Census, Saul

Baldwins

BANKS

Benjamin BANKS - 62, Waterman, born Fretherne
Celia BANKS - 63

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1871 Census Saul
Baldwins Court

Benjamin BANKS - 76 - late Sailor, born Saul
Sealy - 74 - born Fretherne

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1871 Census Saul

BANKS

Benjamin - 42 Beerhouse Keeper, born Saul
Eliza - 40 - born Framilode
Anne E 14 - Saul
Kate - 12

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CLDS

Baptism at Saul - 28 December 1794

Benjamin BANKS, parents Thomas & Sarah

and

baptism at Fretherne - 24 June 1797

Cely LONG - (no parent name given)

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Gloucestershire Marriage CD pre 1800

two Thomas BANKS' marriages at Saul

Thomas BANKS to Sarah TILER - January 1789

and an earlier one

Thomas BANKS to Hannah LISLE - 9 October 1782

Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (BANKS) (reply)

unknown — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:28 +0000

Thanks for all the great info! Yes, I am new here, as of today. This thread that turned up today when I googled in the past hadn't been posted yet! Most of the info I've gathered is from familysearch and ancestry from back in the spring. We are making our way to England (The Cotswolds) for the first time soon and I thought it would be worth visiting these nearby towns of family significance...

I don't know Lucy's middle name. But my research does show that her mother's maiden name is Banks as you mentioned. Mother Sadie Dangerfield Banks and father Benjamin Banks. I don't have any birth/death dates or locations for them and I can't go further back.

It would seem that you are also correct that Lucy's birthdate is 1853, not 1858. I don't know the meaning of her middle name "Long." I assume it is a family name for a family I have not yet discovered! I believe she left England in 1874/75.

I have to familiarize myself with how to use this site as it obviously has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Thanks again!

Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (-Parents (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:32:26 +0000

Just 'throwing this in' as 58 might be 53 and an April birthdate !!!- Did Lucy have a middle name?

1861 Census, Glos Fretherne

Transcribed as GROTHER

BROCHER

Charlotte - wife - 36, born Morton Valance
Celia - 13 - Fretherne
Lucy L - 8 - born Fretherne
Mary J - 4 born Saul
Caroline M - 7 - born Fretherne

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Gloucestershirebdm

Lucy Long BROACHER, 1853, Frampton, mother's maiden name BANKS

Freebdm

April/May/June Qtr 1853

BROACHER, Lucy Long - District: Wheatenhurst - Volume 6a Page 247

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1871 Census - transcribed on Ancestry as BISCHER

Fretherne

Joh 48 - Fisherman - born Fretherne
Charlote - 46 - born Moreton
William H - 20
Frey L - 17 (this is Lucy)
Caroline - 11
Charlote - 8
Turria - 5
Samual J - 6 months

Name: John Brocker
Name: Charlotte Banks
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1844
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number: 377

1851
John Brocker abt 1825 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Head Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Charlote Brocker abt 1825 Shorton Valene, [MORTON VALANCE] Gloucestershire, England Wife Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Selina Brocker abt 1848 Fretherne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Henry Brocker abt 1850 Fretherne, Gloucestershire, England Son Fretherne, Gloucestershire

Searching Lucy BROACHER (Severnside) (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:28:27 +0000

Hi and welcome to this great forum.
Sadly I've only got a minute between jobs, but as I have no access to the subscription sites (Ancestry etc) I rely heavily on this site's PRs which don't appear to have Lucy, plus Glos BMD and FreeBMD which fortunately gives excellent coverage to our neck of the woods.

Searching FreeBMD for Lucy Broachers/Brocher only gives the folowing few hits which may well be some of "yours", given that I've searched all the UK records(on FreeBMD that is!) and they are in the correct Wheatenhurst area:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1853
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Broacher Lucy Long Wheatenhurst 6a 247

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1889
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Brocher Lucy Wheatenhurst 6a 321

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1915
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Brocher Lucy A Winter Wheatenhurst 6a 953

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wheatenhurst.html

From GlosBMD I find a little more detail:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROACHER Lucy Long BROACHER BROACHER BANKS 1853 Gloucester Gloucester, Frampton 5 471

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROCHER Lucy BROCHER BROCHER WILLIAMS 1889 Gloucester Gloucester, Frampton 15 83

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WINTER Richard Sidney BROCHER Lucy Amy Gloucester Framilode St Peter 1915 19 No 1 146

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

Hope this helps, I'll leave you in MPG's very capable hands. Meanwhile I'm sure you'll quickly find more useful Brocher/Broacher info on these sites. I see the surname Brooker is far more commonplace, and there are a fair few hits in the Thames valley region eg Newbury & Reading, I wonder if these are perhaps linked to the Severnside ones perhaps thro the Thames, canals or the GWR ?.

Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (BANKS) (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:21:39 +0000

Just 'throwing this in' as 58 might be 53 and an April birthdate !!!- Did Lucy have a middle name?

1861 Census, Glos Fretherne

Transcribed as GROTHER

BROCHER

Charlotte - wife - 36, born Morton Valance
Celia - 13 - Fretherne
Lucy L - 8 - born Fretherne
Mary J - 4 born Saul
Caroline M - 7 - born Fretherne

Gloucestershirebdm

Lucy Long BROACHER, 1853, Frampton, mother's maiden name BANKS

Freebdm

April/May/June Qtr 1853

BROACHER, Lucy Long - District: Wheatenhurst - Volume 6a Page 247

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1871 Census - transcribed on Ancestry as BISCHER

Fretherne

John 48 - Fisherman - born Fretherne
Charlote - 46 - born Moreton
William H - 20
Frey L - 17 (this is Lucy)
Caroline - 11
Charlote - 8
Turria - 5
Samual J - 6 months

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Gloucestershire bdm - mother's maiden name BANKS.

Gloucester, Frampton

BROACHER - Caroline Matilda - 1859
BROACHER Charlotte Lavina - 1862
BROACHER Lucy Long - 1853
BROACHER Mary Jane - 1857
BROACHER Selina Celia - 1847
BROACHER William Henry - 1851
BROCHER Enos - 1844
BROCHER Lemuel John - 1870
BROCHER Thirza Jenetta - 1866

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Had a quick look at baptisms at Moreton Valance St Stephen (BANKS)

Just one

Elizabeth BANKS - 1 August 1819

Samuel (Waterman) & Esther

possibly Caroline's parents - as she did name a son Samuel -

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? 1841 Census Saul

Canal Row

BANKS

Hester 64
William 33 - Waterman
James - 30
Charles - 20
Samuel - 37
Ann - 35

Lucy BROACHER - 1858

unknown — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:30:49 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=36871

This is very interesting. If my research is correct John and Charlotte Brocher are my 3x great-grandparents.

Their daughter, Lucy Brocher, moved to America and married my great great grandfather who had moved from Ireland.

My records show the John Brocher's parents were Mary (born in 1791) and William Brocher (born in 1781).

I know that Lucy Brocher was born in "England" in April 1858 - can anyone help me with more specifics?

Thank you!