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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank all Forum members for the information posted, very interesting and helpful, thank you. Tony Barnes.</p>
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<title>William Stephens and Martha (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The marriage entry for Arthur Barnes to Emily Stephens tells us that her father is William Stephens, Game Keeper of Norton and Emily&#039;s baptism on 6 March 1881 further informs us that her mother is Martha.</p>
<p>This is the family in 1881:<br />
Norton<br />
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country  <br />
Game Keeper Cottage William Stephens Head Married 34 1847 Male Game Keeper Swindon Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Martha Stephens Wife Married 32 1849 Female Wife Childswickham Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Frd. George Stephens Son  14 1867 Male Scholar Stanton Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Ellen Maria Stephens Daughter  9 1872 Female Scholor Rudford Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Chorles R. Stephens Son  7 1874 Male Scholor Rudford (Churcham) Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Albert J. Stephens Son  5 1876 Male Scholor Churcham Gloucestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Eliza J. Stephens Daughter  2 1879 Female  Malvern Wells Worcestershire England<br />
Game Keeper Cottage Emily Stephens Daughter    Female  Norton (Wells) Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1891<br />
Norton<br />
Name Relationship Gender Age Birth Year Birth Place Civil parish Ecclesiastical parish Residence Place Registration district Sub registration district ED, Institution or Vessel Piece Folio<br />
William Stephens Head Male 44 1847 Swindon Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Martha Stephens Wife Female 42 1849 Childs Wickham Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Albert J Stephens Son Male 15 1876 Churcham Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Eliza Stephens Daughter Female 12 1879 Malvern Wells Worcestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Emily Stephens Daughter Female 10 1881 Norton Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Agnes Stephens Daughter Female 8 1883 Norton Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Alice Stephens Daughter Female 6 1885 Norton Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Laura E Stephens Daughter Female 4 1887 Norton Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England  Kingsholm 4 2010 58<br />
Arthur W Stephens Son Male 1 1890 Norton Gloucestershire England Norton  Norton Norton Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>1901 <br />
Keepers Cottage, Norton<br />
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place<br />
16 William Stephen Head 54 1847 Male Swindon, Gloucestershire, England<br />
16 Martha Stephen Wife 52 1849 Female Childs Wickham<br />
16 William Stephen Son 11 1890 Male Norton, Gloucestershire, England<br />
16 Laura Stephen Daughter 13 1888 Female Norton<br />
16 Francis Stephen Daughter 9 1892 Female Norton<br />
16 Charles Blakeney Grandson 3 1898 Male Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>1911<br />
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place Address<br />
William Stephens Head 1847 64 Male Married 44 Woodman Swindon, Gloucestershire Tythe House, Norton, Gloucestershire<br />
Martha Stephens Wife 1849 62 Female Married 44  Child Wickham, Gloucestershire Tythe House, Norton, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>The 1911 Census tells us that William and Martha were married 44 years and GRO Birth Index tells us that Martha&#039;s maiden name is WOOD. This leads us to this marriage:</p>
<p>Marriages Jun 1866<br />
STEPHENS William  Winchcomb  6a 707<br />
Wood  Martha    Winchcomb  6a 707</p>
<p>Details sourced from Ancestry:<br />
Name: William Stephens<br />
Gender: Male<br />
Marriage Age: 20<br />
Event Type: Marriage<br />
Birth Year: abt 1846<br />
Marriage Date: 26 May 1866<br />
Marriage Place: Didbrook cum Hailes, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Parish as it Appears: Didbrook<br />
Spouse: Martha Wood Aged 18<br />
Residence: Rye field<br />
Father of William Stephens: Deceased<br />
Father of Martha Wood: James Wood, Labourer.<br />
Witnesses: George Hughes and Eliza Hughes.</p>
<p>Both William and Martha are buried at Norton:<br />
Year: 1924<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 8<br />
Surname: STEPHENS<br />
Forenames: William<br />
Residence: Tythe Barn Cottages Norton Norton<br />
Age_at_death: 79<br />
Officiating_Minister: H M Ward<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/8<br />
Page_No: 97<br />
Parish_Chapel: Norton</p>
<p>Year: 1928<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 6<br />
Surname: STEPHENS<br />
Forenames: Martha<br />
Residence: 9 Cross Keys Lane Gloucester<br />
Age_at_death: 80<br />
Officiating_Minister: W A Longdon Vicar<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/8<br />
Page_No: 100<br />
Parish_Chapel: Norton</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<title>William and Sarah Barnes (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Census Returns:<br />
1841<br />
Newent<br />
Given Name Surname Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
William Barns 55 1786 Male  Gloucestershire England<br />
Sarah Barns 35 1806 Female  Gloucestershire England<br />
Thomas Barns 12 1829 Male  Gloucestershire England<br />
James Barns 4 1837 Male  Gloucestershire England<br />
Charles Barns 2 1839 Male  Gloucestershire England<br />
N K  Above 10 1831 Male </p>
<p>The entry marked N(to) K(nown) could be son William. It is noted that he is not with parents in any Census.</p>
<p>1851 Census<br />
House Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place<br />
20 William Barnes Head 64 1787 Male Castle Moreton, Worcestershire, England<br />
20 Sarah Barnes Wife 45 1806 Female Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Charles Barnes Son 9 1842 Male Newent, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Benjamin Barnes Son 7 1844 Male Newent, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Henry Barnes Son 3 1848 Male Newent, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>1861 Census<br />
Newent<br />
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
128 Sarah Barnes Head 60 1801 Female Berkeley Gloucestershire England<br />
128 Thomas Barnes Son 32 1829 Male Newent Gloucestershire England<br />
128 Charles Barnes Son 20 1841 Male Newent Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>1871 Census:<br />
Newent<br />
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
42 Mary Taysill Head 84 1787 Female Newent Gloucestershire England<br />
42 Sarah Barnes Lodger 74 1797 Female Newent Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>1881 Census:<br />
Staunton Near Newent<br />
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
The Moat Edward Boulter Head Widower 50 1831 Male Ag Lab Newent Gloucestershire England<br />
The Moat Sarah Barnes Lodger Widow 80 1801 Female  Stone Gloucestershire England<br />
The Moat Charles Wilks Lodger  50 1831 Male Ag Lab Redmarley Worcestershire England</p>
<p>William died between 1851 and 1861. This is his burial:<br />
Year: 1857<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Day: 10<br />
Surname: BARNES<br />
Forenames: William<br />
Residence: Newent<br />
Age_at_death: 76<br />
Officiating_Minister: G. J. Gill<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: [not sta<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1 / 13<br />
Page_No: 108<br />
Parish_Chapel: Newent</p>
<p>and Sarah died after 1881 and this is her burial:<br />
Year: 1888<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 20<br />
Surname: BARNES<br />
Forenames: Sarah<br />
Residence: Newent Union Workhouse<br />
Age_at_death: 87<br />
Officiating_Minister: T.Hayes<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P309 in 1/8<br />
Page_No: 78<br />
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent</p>
<p>The 1851 Census gives William&#039;s place of birth as Castlemorton, Worcestershire and we find this baptism on familysearch.org. We should add that we do not have sufficient evidence to be certain:</p>
<p>Name: William Barns<br />
Gender: Male<br />
Christening Date: 29 Jan 1786<br />
Christening Date (Original): 29 JAN 1786<br />
Christening Place: CASTLEMORTON,WORCESTER,ENGLAND<br />
Father&#039;s Name: Willm. Wagstaff<br />
Mother&#039;s Name: Anne Barns</p>
<p>There is more than one baptism for a Sarah Lewis in Stone around 1800.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would appear to be the marriage of Grandparents:<br />
Year: 1902<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Day: 31<br />
Grooms_Surname: BARNES<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur<br />
Grooms_Age: 31<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Watchmaker<br />
Grooms_Residence: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Barnes<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor<br />
Brides_Surname: STEPHENS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Emily<br />
Brides_Age: 21<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Norton<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Stephens<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Game Keeper<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Agnes Stephens<br />
Witness_2: Charles Richard Stephens<br />
Other_Witnesses: Edith Barnes<br />
Officiating_Minister: R.Marks.Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P 232 IN 1/12<br />
Page_Number: 67<br />
Parish_Chapel: Norton</p>
<p>and they are in Derby at time of 1911 Census:<br />
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Occupation Birth Place Address<br />
Arthur Barnes Head 1871 40 Male Married Watch &amp; Clock Maker Gloucester, England 59 Peet St Derby<br />
Emily Barnes Wife 1881 30 Female Married  Norton, Gloucester, England 59 Peet St Derby<br />
Arthur Barnes Son 1905 6 Male   Birmingham, Worcester, England 59 Peet St Derby<br />
John Barnes Son 1908 3 Male   Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England 59 Peet St Derby</p>
<p>Age given at time of marriage suggest Arthur is born c1871 and Emily c1881.<br />
This would appear to be Baptism for Emily:<br />
Year: 1881<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Day: 6<br />
Parents_Surname: STEPHENS<br />
Child_Forenames: Emily<br />
Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Martha<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Norton<br />
Occupation: Keeper<br />
Officiating_Minister: F E Broome Witts Vicar<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 10<br />
Parish_Chapel: Norton</p>
<p>and for Arthur:<br />
Year: 1870<br />
Month: Jun<br />
Day: 26<br />
Parents_Surname: BARNES<br />
Child_Forenames: Arthur<br />
Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Marianne<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Kingsholme<br />
Occupation: Tailor<br />
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Turner.Vicar of Norton<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/6<br />
Page_Number: 95<br />
Parish_Chapel: Norton</p>
<p>The GRO Index tells us that his mother&#039;s maiden name is Clarke and this would be the parent&#039;s marriage:<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry  <br />
BARNES William CLARK Mary Ann Gloucester Northgate St John the Baptist  1864 55 No 3 58</p>
<p>Here is the family in 1871 and 1881:<br />
1871 Census<br />
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
269 William Barnes Head 41 1830 Male Taynton Gloucestershire England<br />
269 Mary A Barnes Wife 27 1844 Female Skenfrith Monmouthshire Wales<br />
269 James Barnes Son 6 1865 Male St Mary De Crypt Gloucester Gloucestershire England<br />
269 William Barnes Son 5 1866 Male St Catherine Gloucestershire England<br />
269 Arthur Barnes Son 1 1870 Male St Catherine Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>1881 Census<br />
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
9 Vine Terrace William Barnes Head Married 50 1831 Male Journeyman Tailor Newent Gloucestershire England<br />
9 Vine Terrace Mary Barnes Wife Married 39 1842 Female ((Junior Cl)) Skenfrith Monmouth Wales<br />
9 Vine Terrace James Barnes Son  16 1865 Male Junior Clerk Gloster Gloucestershire England<br />
9 Vine Terrace William Barnes Son  15 1866 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England<br />
9 Vine Terrace Arthur Barnes Son  10 1871 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England<br />
9 Vine Terrace Albert E. Barnes Son  6 1875 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England<br />
9 Vine Terrace John H. Barnes Son  1 1880 Male  Gloster Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>Taking the BARNES line back further was not straightforward but we find this marriage:<br />
Year: 1827<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 25<br />
Grooms_Surname: BARNES<br />
Grooms_Forenames: William<br />
Grooms_Age: <br />
Groom_Condition: [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Occupation: <br />
Grooms_Residence: Newent<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Surname: LEWIS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Sarah<br />
Brides_Age: <br />
Brides_Condition: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: of this parish<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark<br />
Witness_1: Paul Barnard<br />
Witness_2: Hannah Barnard<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Wm Bushell Curate<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P326 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 12<br />
Parish_Chapel: Taynton</p>
<p>and this baptism:<br />
Year: 1827<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 25<br />
Parents_Surname: LEWIS<br />
Child_Forenames: William<br />
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Tainton<br />
Occupation: Domestic Servant<br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bushell<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: illegitimate<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P326 IN 1/5<br />
Page_Number: 27<br />
Parish_Chapel: Taynton</p>
<p>Note William&#039;s baptism took place on the same day as the marriage of his parents.</p>
<p>It was the 1861 Census entry for William which provided the clue:<br />
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
185 William Barnes Head 31 1830 Male Taynton Gloucestershire England<br />
185 Henry Barnes Lodger 13 1848 Male Newent Gloucestershire England</p>
<p>The maiden name of Henry&#039;s mother is Lewis and baptisms of siblings can be found on this website.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there were five children born to William and Mary Ann BARNES,</p>
<p>Gr 1911 Census, 3 Bath Cottages, Apperley , nr Tewkesbury</p>
<p>William BARNES, Head, 63, Married, General labourer, b. Glos, Deerhurst<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, 64, Married,Glos, Deerhurst<br />
Francis, Son, 32, Unmarried, Basket Maker, Glos, Deerhurst<br />
May COULDREY, Gdaur, 11, Glos, Churchdown</p>
<p>41 years married.<br />
5 children born alive, 1 died.<br />
4 rooms in the house.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s an Arthur BARNES here with a brother, George,</p>
<p>GR 1881 Census, Cottage, Apperley</p>
<p>William BARNES, Head, Mar, 33, Gardener, b. Gloucestershire, Apperley<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, Mar, 34, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst<br />
Mary Ann, Daur, 10, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst<br />
Arthur, Son, 8, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst<br />
George T, Son, 6, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst<br />
Annie M, Daur, 3, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst<br />
Francis J, Son, 2, Gloucestershire, Deerhurst</p>
<p>Possible marriage,</p>
<p>GR England &amp; Wales marriages 1837-2008<br />
First Name  William<br />
Last Name  Barnes<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Year  1870<br />
Spouse  <br />
Image Quarter  2<br />
Country  England<br />
County  Gloucestershire<br />
District  Tewkesbury<br />
District Number  <br />
Registry Number  <br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  805<br />
Line Number  235<br />
Entry Number</p>
<p>William Barnes married one of the people below:</p>
<p> Mary Ann MARGRETT<br />
 Caroline BLOXHAM</p>
<p>However, the entry from Glos BMD Births marks him as Arthur William rather than Arthur Clark.</p>
<p>BARNES , Arthur William, Mother’s former name, MARGRETT, <br />
1872 Cheltenham, Tewkesbury, Deerhurst 10 136</p>
<p><br />
GR England &amp; Wales marriages 1837-2008<br />
First Name  Arthur<br />
Last Name  Barnes<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Year  1902<br />
Spouse  <br />
Image Quarter  1<br />
Country  England<br />
County  Gloucestershire<br />
District  Gloucester<br />
District Number  <br />
Registry Number  <br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  537<br />
Line Number  81<br />
Entry Number  <br />
Category  Births, Marriages &amp; Deaths<br />
Record set  England &amp; Wales Marriages 1837-2005<br />
Collections from  Great Britain, England<br />
Spouse Match Spouse Match: Arthur BARNES married Emily STEPHENS<br />
First Name  Emily<br />
Last Name  Stephens<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Year  1902<br />
Spouse  <br />
Image Quarter  1<br />
Country  England<br />
County  Gloucestershire<br />
District  Gloucester<br />
District Number  <br />
Registry Number  <br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  537<br />
Line Number  336</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for my ancestry from Gloucestershire. I know my Grandfather (Arthur Clark Barnes) was born in Apperley around 1880,he had some siblings one I think was George. My Great- grand father (William Stephens) was a Gamekeeper who lived in Norton, or priors Norton around 1880 1910, He had several children, Emily my Grandmother, Agnes, Laurie, Francis, and I think a few more. Does any one know of these families. Regards, Tony Barnes</p>
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