Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864 (General)

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:53 (315 days ago)

(William) Paul Davis (Davies) married Elizabeth Price at Ross on 14.10.1860. They had 8 children, including my Great Grandfather Henry, the second youngest. With the help of this site (and Findmypast) I’ve details on most of the others, but have been struggling with Sarah Ann Davis (baptised 3.7.1862 in Ross) and George Davis (baptised 5.3.1864 in Ross).

Sarah Ann is on the censuses of 1871 and 1881 at home in Ross, but no trace after that, other than a possible death in either 1920 or 1921 in Ross (FOD records).

George marries Hanna Matilda Keyse in Ross on 22.12.1891 (FOD record) with his brother and mother as witnesses. George’s residence at the time of his marriage is transcribed as "Cwmity Very Monmouth" (Can anyone explain?). No trace after that.

I’ve searched with their father as either William, William Paul or Paul, as his name is different on baptisms, weddings and censuses. Obviously I’ve checked Davis and Davies and also multiple ways of spelling Keyse.

With William seemingly in Monmouthshire in 1891 has he disappeared over the border to Wales? Although my Great Grandfather Henry was born in 1873, he was in London on the 1891 census aged 17, so had he followed his elder brother and/or sister to the big city?

Any thoughts or suggestions will be very helpful.
Mike

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:57 (314 days ago) @ mikedavies

Just started looking at the General Register Office - GRO INDEX (ticked the button for variations of surname etc)

so far....

Name:

DAVIES, Annie

Mother's Maiden Name: KEYSE

GRO Reference: 1893 - M Quarter In BEDWELLLTY - Volume 11A - Page 85

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:05 (314 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Found these - may be this is the same family

DAVIS Alice - mother's maiden name: KEYSE
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in Westbury on Severn - volume 06A - Page 311

DAVIS Elizabeth - mother's maiden name KEYSE
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in Westbury on Severn - volume 06A - Page 299

DAVIES Edith Minnie - mother's maiden name KEYSE
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in Gloucester - Volume 06A - Page 265


(until check with census - not sure if this is the same parents etc.


1901 Census, West Dean
Broadwell Lane End

George DAVIES - aged 30 - Collier Tipper above ground on top - born Tresis Monmouth
Mary A DAVIES - 27 - born Llantilo, Monmouth
Edith M - daughter 1 - born Lidbrook, Gloucester

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:42 (314 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

I shoulld have checked with Public Member's Tree on Ancestry first....


There is a tree (but whether it's correct)

1901 Census, Peterstow, Herefordshire

Wellands Cottages

George DAVIES - 34 - General Labourer - born Walford Hfds
Matilda - 33 - born Yatton
Charlotte - 4 - 3
Annie - 1 - born Peterstow


1911 Census

DAVIES

George - 44 - General labourer - born Ross Herefordshire
Matilda - 48 - born Ross, Herefordshire
Charles - 13
Annie 11 -
Leonard - 9
Stephen - 7 (GRO INDEX has a mother's maiden name as: GOULD)
William - 5

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:23 (314 days ago) @ mikedavies

getting my Minnie/May confused

Just in case...... this is the 1911 census, for Broadwell, Coleford

Geoge DAVIES - aged 39 - Haulier - born Tregare Monmouthshire
Mary Ann GARDNER married (crossed out and Boarder 38 -
Edith May - school, born West Dean Coleford
John Edward - 9
Joseph - 5
Richard - 2
Benjamin - 2 months

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:19 (314 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks for all of these, but with regards to George Davis he was baptised in Ross, his census entry of 1871 states Ross and in 1881 I've seen a George Ross in Hereford as a labourer/militiaman with a birthplace of Ross.

Its from his wedding onwards I'm stumped.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 17:39 (314 days ago) @ mikedavies

Looking at GENUKI Monmouthshire

There is a Cwmtillery which says to look at Aberystruth

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 20:08 (314 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks MP, but this one is proving difficult.

I also wonder now whether at the wedding of George and Matilda in 1891 their residences were described/transcribed the wrong way round? Alton Court in Ross was the Davis family home, so maybe it was Matilda who was from Cwmity Very Monmouth (whereever that may be).

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:30 (314 days ago) @ mikedavies

1881 Census,
Herefordshire
Ross
District 3

Brookend Street

KEYSE

James - 63 Head, Gardener : born, Gloucester Gorsley
Mary - wife - 55 - Shoemaker's Shopwoman - born , Hereford, Hampton Bishop
Jane - daughter - unmarried - 21 - Shoemaker's Shopwoman - born Hereford, Ross
Charles - son - 19 - Shoemaker Fitter - born Hereford Ross
Hannah M KEYSE - grand-daughter - 11 - Scholar, born Gloucester


1891 Census
Ross
Allpire? Terrace

Charles KEYS - 28 - Shoemaker Cutter, born Ross, Herefordshire
Mary KEYS - Head - Wid - 64 - born Hampton Bishop

Hannah M Sollar ???? Niece - 20 - born Gloucester ******


There is a Public Members Tree on ancestry - which gives her the daughter of Richard SOLLARS and Emma SOLLARS (nee KEYSE)

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:55 (314 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Is Hannah Matilda - daughter of Emma KEYSE???

1861 Census Ross (Ancestry - has a mixture of surnames)

James REYER - 40
Mary REYER - 31
Emma KEYSE - 10
Henry KEYSE - 8
Jane KEYSE - 7


Emma KEYSE - christened at Ross on Wye - 1 Mar 1851 - daughter of James & Mary

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Thursday, January 28, 2021, 15:09 (313 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks MP,
I'll try and use this background information to help, but I'm still no nearer to tracking either Sarah Ann Davies or her brother George Davies after 1881.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Thursday, January 28, 2021, 17:48 (313 days ago) @ mikedavies

I think George is in Abertillery in the the 1901 census. Listed as married but a boarder. Coal miner. Born in Ross. Age is correct.

If you have Ancestry access this is the link:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7815/images/MONRG13_4935_4937-0297?t...

Otherwise Abertillery, district 19, page 63.

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Peter

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Thursday, January 28, 2021, 22:31 (313 days ago) @ probinson

Brilliant Peter, progress made.

That certainly appears to be him, and from that I've now found him on the 1911 census in Peterstow, just outside of Ross where he is now with his wife Matilda and five children.

It's difficult to see the wood for the trees sometimes, what with the occasional name mis-spelling/mis-pronunciation, the varying dates of birth/baptism and various ages etc., but we've got there in the end.

Now to refocus on Sarah Ann Davies.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Friday, January 29, 2021, 11:07 (312 days ago) @ mikedavies

I spoke to soon, it's another George and Matilda Davies on the 1911 census!

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Friday, January 29, 2021, 11:33 (312 days ago) @ mikedavies

The ages for Sarah in the 1871 and 1881 census would have her born 1863/64 so I'm questioning the baptism record for 1862. Do you have a birth record?

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Peter

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Friday, January 29, 2021, 11:51 (312 days ago) @ probinson

Actually, my bad, the 1871 census age ties in but the 1881 census doesn't. But maybe OK depending on exactly when she was born.

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Peter

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Friday, January 29, 2021, 12:02 (312 days ago) @ probinson

No baptism record. I've been working backwards and forwards from the marriage details of 1891 in Ross obtained from this site. I'm sure that is right based on the location (as the family are all there) and also the witnesses having the names of his brother and his mother. I did wonder whether their residences were mixed up as Alton Court (cottages) are where the Davies family lived.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Friday, January 29, 2021, 14:12 (312 days ago) @ mikedavies

There is a birth record that matches so I think you're correct.

Third quarter of 1862
DAVIS Sarah Ann Ross 6a 417

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Peter

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Friday, January 29, 2021, 14:18 (312 days ago) @ mikedavies

There's a possible marriage

Name:
Sarah Ann Davies
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Ross, Herefordshire, England
Registration District:
Ross
County:
Herefordshire
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1893
Volume:
6A
Affiliate Line Number:
147
Possible Spouse:
Thomas Holmes

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Peter

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, January 29, 2021, 15:48 (312 days ago) @ probinson

Ancestry

Sarah Ann DAVIES (father William Paul DAVIES)

Married 25 December 1883
Saint Martin, Herefords, Hereford


Alfred EVANS (father: John EVANS)

On later census returns.

1891 Census

Kensington, London, St Johns and St James

30 Adair Road

EVANS

Alfred - 31 - Railway Engine Drive born Herford St Martin
Sarah - 28 - born Hereford Ross
Sarah - 6 - born Ross
Gertrude - 3 born Ross

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, January 29, 2021, 15:56 (312 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Because Alfred is a Train Driver - he moves around

1901 Census

Glamorgan
Llantrisant
ALL
District 03

Cowbridge Road

Alfred EVANS - 41 Railway Engine Driover, born Hereford St Martin
Sarah A - 38 -born Hereford, Ross
Sarah E> 16 born St Martins
Alfred J P - 2 born Glamorgan, Cardiff

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, January 29, 2021, 15:57 (312 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

1911 Census, Middlesex, Willesden

21 Harley Road, Willesden N.W.

EVANS

Alfred - 51 - married 27 years - Engine Driveer G W Railway - born Hereford, Herefordshire
Sarah - 48 - 3 children born alive 1 dead, born Ross, Herefordshire
Gertrude - 23 - Milliner - born Hereford
Alfred J - 12 - School, born Cardiff, Glam Wales.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Friday, January 29, 2021, 16:52 (312 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Hi guys, great stuff.

I'll check this all out, but I like the engine driver connection. One of Sarah Ann's younger brother's was Henry (my Great grandfather) and he was a footman/domestic servant in Marylebone on the 1891 census when he was just over 17 years of age. I often wondered what took him to London at such a young age, but presumably it was because his sister and brother-in-law were already living there.

Henry wasn't a footman for long because on 19.12.1891 (when he'd just turned 18), he changed jobs and started at Paddington Station working as a cleaner for GWR, and eventually becoming an engine driver and relocating to Bristol.

It looks like you've answered more than I asked for so very many thanks.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by MPGriffiths @, Saturday, January 30, 2021, 10:40 (311 days ago) @ mikedavies

1881 Census, Herefordshire, Ross

Brookend Street


Alfred EVANS aged 21, is lodging with Frances MAPP and his family. Alfred is a GWR Locomotive Fireman.

There are 'some' Alfred EVANS - Railway Records for an Alfred EVANS - working for the GWR - but have a look

Birth date on each is given as 27 October 1859, and places, Paddington, Newport, and Hereford.

Sarah Ann Davis and George Davis of Ross ~1862-1864

by mikedavies @, Huddersfield, Saturday, January 30, 2021, 19:23 (311 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks again MP.

I printed off the 1881 census with Alfred Evans last night. It transpires that the address is <5 minutes walk from where Sarah Anne Davi(e)s lived on the 1881 census, so it has all fallen into place.

Now to get the GWR records. They didn't prove that difficult for Henry my Gt. Grandfather, so hopefully I'll have success again.

Cheers for all the help.

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